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State of MLB: A Series of E-mails

Posted on: February 10, 2009 6:27 pm
Edited on: February 10, 2009 6:37 pm
 

From the Coach:

Tim Kurkjian's piece on A-Rod is pretty powerfull and depressing. This is the quote I am left with:

"10 years from now, 2 of the top 5 HR hitters of all time (Bonds, A-Rod), 5 of the top 11 (add Palmiero, McGuire, and Sosa), and one of the top 3 living pitchers (Clemens) ALL may be out of the Hall of Fame."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/
story?id=3893240

Some of what I was thinking:

If you add these names with two notables not in the Hall right now (Rose-#1 all-time hits leader, Jackson-one of the top hitters ever) and it begins to beg the awfull question that us baseball fans might have to face: Is the Hall of Fame really relevant anymore? It is getting hard for me to think of two of the three best players I ever saw (Griffey is my #1) and one of the three best pitchers (Maddox and Ryan are the oher 2) may never be in the Hall of Fame. Sad days are ahead for baseball.

Response from the Couch Potato

I’d be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible. In my opinion, if you don’t do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever.

It’s not about good and bad people, because Mark McGwire and Jason Giambi are two of the kindest human beings ever. Andy Pettite is a fantastic person. That’s seemingly got nothing to do with anything. One hundred and four players made the wrong decision, and it appears that not only was it 104, but three of the greatest of our, or any, generation appear to be on top of this list.

And before anyone asks, I’ll make it clear: My name will not appear on any lists of positive tests. I’ve never tested positive for steroids or HGH, and I’ve never taken steroids or HGH in my life, ever. You don’t need to call the union, or an agent to verify that.

-From Curt Schilling's Blog at http://38pitches.weei.com/

Thanks Alex...but then again...he's not A-Fraud...he's exactly who he says he is...a YANKEE.

But anyway, who are the other players? It's not fair to guys like Schilling, and the others out there who have been good. Cowherd said he never thought Alex did...along with Manny and Griff...but now, do we have to question Manny and JR? I hope not, cause now we're talking about two of MY favorite players. If I found out they and Byrnsey did it...well...I don't know how much I can like Major League Baseball...because MLB is just as responsible for the roids and HGH as the 104 players, McNamee, Greg Anderson (BALCO), and all other suppliers, makers of, and users of the poison that may kill baseball. It's not about Home Runs. That's not baseball. Would the Player's Association, Major League Baseball...hell, even Congress...please, watch Ken Burns Baseball...get reattatched to the game...the game...THE GAME. It's the one of the most beautiful things that this nation has given us...and these people had to poison it.

Granted, I do like A-Rod. I've been a fan for most of his career (Seattle & Yankee years mostly)...ironic...I didn't like him in a Ranger uniform. It seemed as if he was tainted...and guess what? HE WAS. Now, was it just 2003? Or, is this the only year you've been caught with them in your system? And, I'm not blaming him for me being a fan, defending him, and shoving right back into my face, like others out there are. This was what Cowherd talked about on his show this morning. Don't be mad at A-Rod for you defending him. Why defend athletes? When you all ready know they probably are doing something illegal. He talks about how Wall Street...he's seen it too many times...they're corrupt, and they are doing something illegal all the time. That's how he feels about athletes now.

One other note from Colin's show. Isn't it funny, how two of the guys you hate the most, are right? Curt Schilling and Jose Canseco. You hate to hear from them...but they're right! Colin said, "Canseco is batting about .980 right now." I thought that was a great quote...it's very true though. Yeah, Jose is a DB, but you can't say he's a liar, like you can with Clemens, A-Rod, Palmeiro, McGuire, Giambi, Pettite, and Bonds. What happened to the Ryan's, the Dawson's, the Yount's, the Reggie's?

Now, the two that you mentioned, plus one. 'Charlie Hustle' Pete Rose is a Hall of Famer. 'Shoeless' Joe Jackson is a Hall of Famer. Jose 'Mr. Utility' Oquendo...HALL OF FAMER!

COACH

Here are a few thoughts that would make this already catastrophic situation worse- Please note, if any one of these becomes true, might actually cry:

How did Cal Ripken keep his streak alive- steriods?

How did Rickey Henderson keep going at an elite level when age should have shown greater diminishment- steriods, HGH (they were avialable for the last few years of his career)? [Note: I never liked Rickey, so I doubt I would cry for him, but I would hate it how it would effect baseball].

Worst scenario I can think of- How could a man in his mid-40's throw a 97+ mph baseball WITHOUT steriods/HGH/SOMETHING? This is the Clemens situation, and we now know Roger used. So why can't we speculate on Nolan Ryan- AKA baseball's John Wayne?

You know my position- cheating was rampant with steriods during this period, and exclusion of so many because of their use would keep out too many greats. Football doesn't seem to have problems letting in players who used, but baseball I guess has to be the 'pure' sport (maybe that is why the NFL kills the MLB in ratings and revenue). I guess that is why they only let in players who never cheated like Gaylord Perry and Red Faber (oops-spitballs and other substances). Well, I guess spitballs are harmless, but these steriod guys did illegal drugs- like Freguson Jenkins, and almost every player who went through the prohibition era (every time the Babe took a drink, he was breaking the law).

As I also said before, the NFL had two of its biggest ambasadors from the 60's, Paul Horning and Alex Karas, because they were found to be betting, even their own teams. What did Rozelle do? Did he banish them for life so nobody would question the sport's integrity? Nope-suspended for 1 year, and then both resumed their would-be Hall of Fame careers. If baseball is going to keep Jackson out, then Rose can never be in. Right now, as much as we may argue this is silly, at least the HOF is consistent. Neither are in. But, to exclude the first of the steriods-era players for cheating (or possibly cheating), while still having plaques of guys like Perry hanging in their halls to me seems quite hypocritical.

Admittedly, testing positive for steriods, or lying in court or to Congress about it, seem to be actions which shame the sport of baseball. Looking at the HOF's own mission statement, you can see why these guys may never be enshrined:

"The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum is an independent, non-profit educational institution dedicated to fostering an appreciation of the historical development of baseball and its impact on our culture by collecting, preserving, exhibiting and interpreting its collections for a global audience as well as honoring those who have made outstanding contributions to our national pastime."

So, of course there is no problem for allowing Tris Speaker and Judge Kennasaw Mountain Landis to reside there. The problem is that they, along with others also in the Hall, were influential or instrumental in baseball's greatest disgrace-segregation! Well, at least guys like Ty Cobb NEVER DISGRACED the game! You know me-I agree these three should be in for what they did as players. Yes-just like McGuire, Sosa, Clemens, A Rod, and likely the greatest player we ever saw, Bonds, MUST have their place in history. And I also feel that while Jackson and Rose's exclusion were warrented (gambling on or attempting to fix the outcome of a sport is the biggest crime an athlete can committ against a sport), the time may have come for their reinstatement. Jackson and the White Sox did an awful thing-conspire to throw the Series. Their banishment for life however wasn't just for their crime, but was to send a message to all other players in a game that at that time was rife with gambling and fixes. I think the game is safe now from 'fixes', so I don't think the punishment should stand any longer. With that, Jackson and Eddie Cicotte should be eligable, and I think that would allow for Pete to be considered as well.

Until I become Commisioner of baseball, I guess these ideas are going to be collecting dust!

A good article for thought:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/featur
e/2007/12/17/hall_of_fame/index.htm
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COUCH POTATO

 

A couple of things...

I believe that football blows baseball out of the water, when it comes to ratings and revenue, is due to a couple factors. (1) Times and days games are played. Football is on Thursday nights (now), Sundays and Monday nights. What is common about these times of days? People aren't working. It's consistent. We know when a football game is going to be on. TV messes up the scheduling of games on it's own. TBS is notorious for scheduling a game, you'll see it on the guide, turn it over there, and see Urkel and Laura. (2) Number of games in the season. 17 weeks, 16 games a week, plus playoffs, compared to a season a 7 month season, 162 games between 30 teams, plus the postseason which now ends in November or December. Follow me? :) (3) Bud Selig vs. Roger Goodell. PERIOD. (4) I could go on and on...but I have to get through this so I can get some work done.

While we're on the subject of people allowed in the hall of fame...JEFF KENT? When he retired, all I heard on the radio and SportsCenter was how great Jeff Kent was and that he's a shoe in for the Hall. Are you kidding me? Kent sucks...well he's pretty good...but it took this long to get Rice in, and Dawson is still waiting. They were saying Kent's a first ballot guy...NO WAY!

Good point that we are downing the Hall, yet they stay consistent with the gambling. But you're right, there is a lot of hypocrisy in that Hall. From segregation, to Prohibition guys, to the spit ballers to the gambling, and ending up with HGH and roids. Now, if you're gonna let Eddie and Joe in the Hall, why can't they just put all 8 guys in there to show that the hall is indeed an "educational institution dedicated to fostering an appreciation of the historical development of baseball and its impact on our culture by...honoring those who have made outstanding contributions to our national pastime." I know we shouldn't look up to these guys, but are they not a part of the history of baseball and our culture. Put them in as a group, put Rose in as the all time hits leader and put an asterik by his name...they did it with Bonds' baseball...which brings me back to the hypocrisy of The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. They're aren't gonna let Bonds in, but they'll put his ball in with an asterik...it's b.s. if you ask me.

Anyway...that's just a couch potato talking...

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